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Fine art is not defined by the presence or absence of fetish content. Rather, it is the medium and the manner in which the subject matter is portrayed, and the purpose for consumption that the artist intended (i.e., for personal aesthetic appreciation rather than for commercially promoting a product or service), that defines fine art. 100%  100%  [ 8 ]
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School dayz.

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Redefines "nose-bleed seats".

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Cirque du Soleil gone horribly... dark.

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Welcome to my world...

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Andy Warhol-inspired tryptich.


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Andy Warhol, 10 Marilyns, 1967

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Dali-inspired study in geometrics.


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Salvador Dali, Vertigo, 1930


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Salvador Dali, Crocifissione, 1954


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Salvador Dali, The skull of Zurbaran, 1956


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Salvador Dali, Searching for the Fourth Dimension, 1979

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Nude amongst pictures at an exhibition (with apologies to Modest Petrovich Mussorgsky.

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zom-zom wrote:

What, no diaper-fetish images?

Mommy, I made a Boom-Boom!

I would think that all disgusting aspects of perversion should be covered.


Like the kiddie porn that I wouldn't be surprised to learn of your fondness for?

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zom DOES love glitter and dahltry...

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thosquanta wrote:
zom DOES love glitter and dahltry...


I took him for a glam-scenester.

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Fly the friendly skies...

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Trapped in the tunnel of despair.

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Filthy devine (with apologies to Filthy Devine).

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Past meets prologue.

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We'll take over from here.

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I guess the problem I'm having with this topic is that it just seems like photo-spamming, with no real discussion of any particular image, theme, subject matter, what have you. I am intrigued by the arguments about what could be considered art/not art within the fetish genre. As well as how fetish art is/is not "fine art " *outside* of the genre.
Consider Dali, Magritte: Making art featuring nudes, unrealistic physics, disturbing imagery. The same could be said of some of this fetish art. So what qualifies one piece to be hung in the MOMA (The Persistence of Memory) and one only published on DeviantArt?
I'm going to argue that it comes down to *technical skill*. Much of what has been posted here is mediocre nude photography, embellished with *shamefully* crappy photoshopping. Most of the nude photos would be better off without the editing. Mapplethorpe did wonderfully BDSM, striking and controversial photography without a scrap of photoshop. Man Ray could somehow draw out the emotion and turmoil from his portraiture through lighting, composition, planning.
Magritte, Dali, Man Ray, etc. all had schooling. They couldn't just go buy a copy of CS4, a Nikon SLR and get their roomie's girlfriend drunk and naked. They studied academic models of creating art before they went out and started fucking shit up.
That's what I think it essentially boils down to. Some people just have better training.

I would definitely love to discuss further the qualifications needed for a piece to considered "fine" art.

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I guess the problem I'm having with this topic is that it just seems like photo-spamming, with no real discussion of any particular image, theme, subject matter, what have you.
That was the whole idea, really; i.e., to put up a plethora of images that evince elements of fine art, if not being fine art in their entirety. Hence, the juxtaposition of the "rabble" with the masters. Unfortunately, little comment/discussion of any significant merit was elicited, very few mediums (e.g., paintings, sculpture, etc.) produced suitable examples, and no one seemed able to come up with alternatives, so "photo-spamming" became the default. Oh well.

Given this particular subject matter, neat categories and divisions will serve only to confound and frustrate, whereas approximations of both the ideals and the artistic/compositional devices designed and intended to achieve those ideals, or, alternatively, demonstrations of how such ideals/devices inspired the contemporary works, will better serve to edify the discussion, and to steer it toward a shared construction of what it means for the fetish genre to become fine art.

manna_panna wrote:
I am intrigued by the arguments about what could be considered art/not art within the fetish genre. As well as how fetish art is/is not "fine art " *outside* of the genre.

Consider Dali, Magritte: Making art featuring nudes, unrealistic physics, disturbing imagery. The same could be said of some of this fetish art. So what qualifies one piece to be hung in the MOMA (The Persistence of Memory) and one only published on DeviantArt?
That was the intent of juxtaposing the "photo-spammed" selections; i.e., placing Dali and Magritte works in the same posts with photo art that attempted to either approximate the same or similar devices as employed by the masters, or, alternatively, demonstrate how the masters influenced or inspired the contemporary works.

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I'm going to argue that it comes down to *technical skill*. Much of what has been posted here is mediocre nude photography, embellished with *shamefully* crappy photoshopping. Most of the nude photos would be better off without the editing. Mapplethorpe did wonderfully BDSM, striking and controversial photography without a scrap of photoshop. Man Ray could somehow draw out the emotion and turmoil from his portraiture through lighting, composition, planning.
No doubt, less is more (no pun intended). But in most cases, even though it may not have been done with the level of technical expertise that meets with your approval, the attempt to implement similar devices for affecting the viewer's perception, both in mood and in concept, is what adds a certain aesthetic and/or intellectual complexity to the work (regardless of apparent expertise). In other words, the contemporary artists were trying to do-more say-more, rather than to trod down the beaten path of merely having another nude posed for a camera (which probably has already been done as well as it can be, without offering anything substantially or discernibly new or original). And frankly, the pique of a rough, extemporaneous aesthetic, which although is sometimes disturbing, serves to provide a somewhat refreshing counterpoint to what is now classical fare. Think of it as "headbanging" for the visual arts. :wink:
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Magritte, Dali, Man Ray, etc. all had schooling. They couldn't just go buy a copy of CS4, a Nikon SLR and get their roomie's girlfriend drunk and naked. They studied academic models of creating art before they went out and started fucking shit up.
That's what I think it essentially boils down to. Some people just have better training.
Indeed they do, and that is why I attempted to juxtapose along side those icons of artistic virtue, selections from the "rabble" of fetish art, which attempt to either approximate, or demonstrate the inspiration of, the exemplary work of the masters. Believe me, if you think what I posted was crap, you should have seen the myriad monstrosities of FAIL!!

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I would definitely love to discuss further the qualifications needed for a piece to considered "fine" art.
I hope that you're successful in stimulating such discussion. Perhaps you'll be able to "retool" this thread, and get some input from others. "Longpig", a very thoughtful person in my experience, seems willing to comment on issues raised in which he finds merit.

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I've just been waiting to see a single image upon which is worth a comment. Everything thus far has been hack crap. Apparently I wasn't the only one. All these images are juvenile at best, horrible bullshit at worst.


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I've just been waiting to see a single image upon which is worth a comment. Everything thus far has been hack crap. Apparently I wasn't the only one. All these images are juvenile at best, horrible bullshit at worst.



Um... I'm not quite sure how to break this to you... but there's Dali in them thar hills.

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Ah. Yr. right. Missed the Dali. Not some of his better work but there's no arguing with the master Surrealist.

And he didn't even have Photoshop. Imagine that.


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I've just been waiting to see a single image upon which is worth a comment. Everything thus far has been hack crap. Apparently I wasn't the only one. All these images are juvenile at best, horrible bullshit at worst.

Yep, it was all a FAILED effort at an edifying discussion. I really owe you all an apology for distracting you with something that you find no value in. It's all my fault. And I feel SOOO guilty about it. :roll:

Sorry that you came to the party so late. Perhaps next time you can make a timely, constructive, well-reasoned, well-supported contribution, instead of taking merely pejorative, pusillanimous potshots from the peanut gallery. But NOOOOO. You don't have the courage to take the risk of posting some images with your own explanations of how they reflect/incorporate your understanding of what constitutes fine art, and thereby subject yourself to the scrutiny of others. (Oh yeah, we all know how well-regarded your "reviews" are outside of this little sycophantic clique of yours. I'll bet you even played in a band once, too. Oh my!)

I searched the "fine art" section on deviantart.com, but could only come up with a couple examples (did you miss the references to Degas and Toulouse-Lautrec?), and even they stretched the definition of fetishism. Perhaps you can do better? I doubt it, but actually, I could really care less what a smack-talk artist like you thinks. I suggest that you stop wasting your time by pointlessly criticizing the efforts of others long after the party has ended, and the rest of us (with the exception of the typical self-indulgent laggards) have all moved on.

You ******s crack me up. {snicker}

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Don't you have some feverish masturbating to do? Why do you bother posting this stuff?


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...even though it may not have been done with the level of technical expertise that meets with your approval, the attempt to implement similar devices for affecting the viewer's perception, both in mood and in concept, is what adds a certain aesthetic and/or intellectual complexity to the work (regardless of apparent expertise).


This is where our opinions diverge. I do not think that a poorly executed aesthetic or incongruent context adds complexity to the work regardless. I think that works negatively against the artist and causes people (as seen here) to react dismissively. I can understand an artist wishing to cause a reaction, even a negative one; but I don't think mockery is the sought-for response.

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And frankly, the pique of a rough, extemporaneous aesthetic, which although is sometimes disturbing, serves to provide a somewhat refreshing counterpoint to what is now classical fare.


I agree that sometimes objects looking out of place in a composition can be interesting and inspire discussion; but I do not think that these examples do that. This is only my opinion, however, and I've yet to see anything that would cause me to reconsider it.

But I do appreciate a discussion, however brief, about art other than music. Thanks.

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Hey Dark Twin Cities folks. I haven’t posted on here since when this forum was called Gothling, but I have lurked a bit. I have to give credit to Cranky n’ Crusty for starting a discussion about fine art and the fetish aesthetic. However, I agree with Manna Panna that a lot of these pics are pretty bad Photoshop collages. I do like that Cranky n’ Crusty posted some examples of paintings from Dali, Magritte and even Toulouse-Lautrec for comparison.

I have been really intrigued with a lot of the contemporary surreal art that has been showcased on the Bein Surreal Art Collective, see: http://beinart.org/ . There has been resurgence in classically trained painters that produce incredibly creative and subversive art. Specifically, a few of my favorite painters like Michael Hussar and Brom have been exploring dark themes with astounding technical ability. Michael Hussar is one of the few artists that I would travel across the country just to see his masterful work in person. He really combines the painting techniques of Renaissance or Baroque masters while navigating through the dark realms of the subconscious- with breathtaking results. Here are a few of his pieces:
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Brom is another artist that I really admire. He too has the technical painting skills to match his amazing creativity. To stay on the specific topic of fetish art, here are a few of Brom’s painting that explore that theme:
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Does anyone out there know of any local, Twin City painters that show technical excellence while exploring “dark” themes?

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Chris Mars, former drummer of The Replacements and current Mpls resident, has excellent surrealist work.

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Very cool. I didn't know that Chris Mars was a local artist (let alone the former drummer of the Replacements). I regret missing his show at the Rogue Buddha Gallery. His attention to detail and the interesting creatures he puts in his work would make for some great up-close viewing. Of course the owner of the Rogue Buddha, Nicholas Harper has some great work too- although I don't know if he would be classified as surreal artist, per se. Nonetheless, he certainly earned his national recognition with his use of rich backgrounds and haunting figures. It seems like the Rogue Buddha hosts some of the most interesting contemporary art that comes through the Mpls area.

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Fetish, art & beauty are all in the eye of the beholder.

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