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They have one Dave, they have one...


Well, no, because that's not what he did.

And sheer numbers are NOT the issue.


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Not thee issue, but is a good illustration of Bushes superior coalition building abilities.

There is a buzz about Syria being next on the Nobel Peace Prize winners hit list. Who would have guessed that peace can be delivered from 15,000 feet?


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Not thee issue, but is a good illustration of Bushes superior coalition building abilities.

There is a buzz about Syria being next on the Nobel Peace Prize winners hit list. Who would have guessed that peace can be delivered from 15,000 feet?


Getting France to agree on something is definitely an indication of Obama's superior coalition building abilities.


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Plus, I think that people just went along with Bush because of how batshit crazy he is, and that he had control of a military 10 times the size of the next largest military.


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The fact that they were at one point able to control whole cities makes them notable enough,
Fair enough.

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and combined with the fact that their goals align with ours, that legitimizes our assistance of such a group.
I am not so sure. As a matter of fact, I don't really know what their goals are, beyond tossing Kaddafi.

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What kindof answer is that? You're not British, you're American,
That's a relatively recent development. :)

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and you owe your country's entire existence, as well as all the positive (and negative) ideology and contributions that the US has made over the years, to an intervention of one country into the internal affairs of another.
I have been told that those were different times and we are so much more civilized now. :P

In reality, I am not fundamentally opposed to bombing some jackass that needs it. I do, however, think that US tends to do it wrong. If it is a war, fight it like one. Kick ass and win, then be done with it. If it isn't a war, perhaps the army is the wrong tool for the job. Or maybe it's something that isn't all that necessary. This half-assed "let's kill them but not too much" approach is goofy.

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Uh, no. I'm using it in the sense of political freedom, which refers to the ability of people to control their own destiny. Such an idea is antithetical to someone else telling them how to do it.

And true freedom does not necessarily have to be "earned". It may work better when a group of people fights for it, but there is no logical connection between the status of a people as free or not free and the way in which it was historically obtained.

Such "earning" doesn't last more than a generation anyway; none of us in the US in 2011 did any more to "earn" the freedom than the North Koreans are doing (or failing to do) right now.
Ahem. Some of us might have actually done a touch more than others. I wouldn't equate the circuitous path that got me here to fighting a revolutionary war, but it did involve more work than an average American would have to do to get to the same place. :)

Again, if you want to get serious for a moment, I think it's rather unrealistic to ask another country for help and expect to give nothing in return. Politics is a business and in business there are bills to pay. I don't think that's terribly unfair, either.

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I am not so sure. As a matter of fact, I don't really know what their goals are, beyond tossing Kaddafi.


Me neither, but that's a start.

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That's a relatively recent development.


I took a gamble and assumed that you were born and raised. But either way, you're here, and you wouldn't be if it weren't for the French, or at least it wouldn't be what it is.

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I have been told that those were different times and we are so much more civilized now.


We are here. But Libya's in a state pretty comparable to where we were at then.

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In reality, I am not fundamentally opposed to bombing some jackass that needs it. I do, however, think that US tends to do it wrong. If it is a war, fight it like one. Kick ass and win, then be done with it. If it isn't a war, perhaps the army is the wrong tool for the job. Or maybe it's something that isn't all that necessary. This half-assed "let's kill them but not too much" approach is goofy.


It makes sense to do it in a medium way when it's someone else's country we're talking about. Continuing the analogy, it's not like France sent its entire armed citizenry to fight our war. They gave aid, but we did enough of the work so that it was our victory. That's the goal here too. And that's what we did wrong in Iraq, by the way.

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Ahem. Some of us might have actually done a touch more than others. I wouldn't equate the circuitous path that got me here to fighting a revolutionary war, but it did involve more work than an average American would have to do to get to the same place.


Perhaps so, but my point still stands. The majority of Americans enjoy the freedom that that entails simply by birthright, and the majority of North Koreans and Sudanis and Libyans, etc., get the oppression that comes with that the same way. And this persists for generations and generations. So let's not pretend that there's any kind of merit-based doling out of political justice.

And it's no less just for someone to get freedom through the altruistic actions of another than it is to get it by the circumstances of birth.

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Again, if you want to get serious for a moment, I think it's rather unrealistic to ask another country for help and expect to give nothing in return. Politics is a business and in business there are bills to pay. I don't think that's terribly unfair, either.


Well, I'm a voting citizen of this country, so I actually get a say in what's realistic and what's not. And my opinion is that my country should indeed ask nothing in return. Now, if my fellow citizens disagree, that's their right, but there's nothing inherently unrealistic about it.

But it is terribly unfair, undeniably, because of the reasons I've already given. The circumstances in which freedom is distributed are already unfair. And the fact that we can't instantly change that for everyone doesn't mean that it's okay to hold a particular people's freedom hostage to our agenda.


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Plus, I think that people just went along with Bush because of how batshit crazy he is, and that he had control of a military 10 times the size of the next largest military.


W was quite complicated & knew how to keep our enemies at bay. *sigh*

If only we had that kind of brilliance in the WH again.


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the guy that knew how to keep our enemies at bay is also the first president to sit thru a attack on american soil since the 1940s....

dumb, fisty, dumb!

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It makes sense to do it in a medium way when it's someone else's country we're talking about.



FYI- you can't kill someone in a 'medium way'

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DaveS wrote:
It makes sense to do it in a medium way when it's someone else's country we're talking about.



FYI- you can't kill someone in a 'medium way'


I guess you're assuming that "do it" in my post means "kill someone". It doesn't.


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Well, I guess we now know why Lybia gets "special treatment":

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Sweet Sweet Crude Oil...right on Obama. You keep telling them it's about "humanitarian reasons", that one always works! :lol:


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Funny how all you cons are all of a sudden interested in accountability when it comes to our military involvement in other countries
Impeccable timing
Sure could have used that cynicism say....
DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION!!!!

Fucking hypocrites

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Obama in 2002: Toppling Brutal Dictator a ‘Dumb War’

Personaly, I'm glad he's grown up a bit. But... no doubt Rummy & Cheney have turned down his job offers.


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Once again you fail to see the difference.

The involvement in Libya was prompted by an actual agressive act by the dictator at the time.

Iraq was prompted solely by Bush having wanted to do it since he got into office, despite that Saddam had done nothing particularly egregious since 1991.


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Not to mention your source being CNS, an online rag with the same readership as FoxNews. No one in their right mind would compare Obama's opinion on the Iraq invasion 9 years ago to stabilizing North Africa now. Thought you said you got your news from multiple sources, Fisty!


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Obama said. “We knew that if we waited, if we waited one more day, Benghazi, a city nearly the size of Charlotte, could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world.”

Gadhafi, apparently unlike Saddam, needed to be stopped because he would kill his own people to maintain his own power, an act that this time posed a threat to America’s “interests and values,” Obama said.

Duuuuhh... Saddam NEVER killed his own people! :lol:

I think Obama needs this military victory big time, Somehow the CIA troops he sent into Lybia have to find a way to take him out.
His polls are getting worse due to the crap economy & incompetence, assasination of quadaffi would get him a bump.... for a few months. Mby oil will go down in price a bit too?


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Fisty, you need to read earlier parts of this thread because you're posting the same nonsense you posted before (or at least points that can be shot down by my earlier replies)! At this point, I'm just going to have to reiterate my suggestions of you getting some context and perspective, oh foolish one!


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I'm getting perspective all right, the CRUSADE continues! First started by Bush1, then scaled back by Clinton, then Bush 2 played for keeps. Now it's Obamas turn, but it's pretty obvious that he needs hoves... er BOOTS on the ground if he wants to win against the King Warrior of the wasteland: Col. Quadaffi fried chicken king! :lol:


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Fisty, you need to read earlier parts of this thread because you're posting the same nonsense you posted before


Don't expect anything cohesive coming out of Fisty
Most of us just keep him around for the abuse factor
It's nice to log on when having a bad day and knowing that at least you aren't Fisty

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His polls are getting worse due to the crap economy & incompetence, assasination of quadaffi would get him a bump.... for a few months. Mby oil will go down in price a bit too?


Wow did I call this one... almost! The assasination of Osama in his undies was a big plus for Team Obama & his neocon pals! Good thing he had all that help from Gitmo, secret prisons, water boarding ect... to help him hunt down Osama & his porn stash in Pakistan!

Meanwhile, rejoice! Mubarak is history!


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Wow did I call this one... almost! The assasination of Osama in his undies was a big plus for Team Obama & his neocon pals! Good thing he had all that help from Gitmo, secret prisons, water boarding ect... to help him hunt down Osama & his porn stash in Pakistan! [/url]


Why is it that the only people in this country who bring you the truth on the TV tube are comedians?


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Why is it that the only people in this country who bring you the truth on the TV tube are comedians?


Ha! Yay Harry Shearer! Pakistan got complacent in their protection of Bin Laden. Classic!


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Obama in 2002: Toppling Brutal Dictator a ‘Dumb War’

Personaly, I'm glad he's grown up a bit. But... no doubt Rummy & Cheney have turned down his job offers.



Whoa! Cheney was pushing to bomb Syria in 2004!? (in his new smash hit book)

I hope he gets a place among the powerfull elite in the next administration, no doubt he made the right call time & again. Now w/ Barakah Obama looking at starting a war with Syria Dicks advice is needed more than ever!


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I think career politicians, like Dick Cheney, are a big part of what is wrong with this country.

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Cheney's certainly self-serving but also more than a little odd. A lot of what he says in his book directly contradicts what Bush stated in his book, yet when asked if he realizes this Cheney backpedals and just says, "Well, we all have our own memory of how it happened." I was struck at how it resembled T-Paw's backpedaling when faced with questions about his criticisms of Romney while standing right next to Romney.

Cheney doesn't consider himself evil, of course. He honestly believes that he's acting in the best interests of the American people. He fully supports waterboarding but when asked if he'd then accept that the Iraqis or Afghanis could waterboard our troops when captured he said that would be unacceptable. Why? Because they're Americans. That's his only response. When you put forth a double standard like that you not only weaken your own stance but make yourself out to be a tyrant in the world community.

I do get a chuckle over the peace protestors who are silently going into bookstores and libraries across the country and casually moving both Bush and Cheney's books to the True Crimes section. That's funny.

Obama did right by not sending troops into Libya. Personally, I felt Syria was much more the humanitarian disaster, but it's not like we can even afford the conflicts we've got. If we leave Iraq and Afghanistan immediately, seeing as how we're having little to no effect at all - other than watching our troops die - we could save more than enough money to radically change this whole nonsensical budget debate here at home.


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He got him! Now Quadaffi is getting ripped to pieces by angry mobs, he had it comming! Good job Obama, keep taking em out. Bush, Rummy & Dick couldn't be prouder of your neocon style!

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Obama did right by not sending troops into Libya. Personally, I felt Syria was much more the humanitarian disaster, but it's not like we can even afford the conflicts we've got. If we leave Iraq and Afghanistan immediately, seeing as how we're having little to no effect at all - other than watching our troops die - we could save more than enough money to radically change this whole nonsensical budget debate here at home.


But it's far from over, we have to send the Libia Billions so they can rebuild their schools & hire teachers & first responders!


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Libya already has billions in oil, we're just gonna buy it from them.


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He got him! Now Quadaffi is getting ripped to pieces by angry mobs, he had it comming! Good job Obama, keep taking em out. Bush, Rummy & Dick couldn't be prouder of your neocon style!

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Obama did right by not sending troops into Libya. Personally, I felt Syria was much more the humanitarian disaster, but it's not like we can even afford the conflicts we've got. If we leave Iraq and Afghanistan immediately, seeing as how we're having little to no effect at all - other than watching our troops die - we could save more than enough money to radically change this whole nonsensical budget debate here at home.


But it's far from over, we have to send the Libia Billions so they can rebuild their schools & hire teachers & first responders!


Contrary to what they'd like you to think, the neocons do NOT have a monopoly on the idea of defending the US from its enemies.

But in this case, it doesn't like it's Obama who did it anyway.


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Thats right Daves, we should thank Obama for helping out the Muslim Brotherhood & his Radical Islamic buddies out all over the world, not just in Egypt & Libia. Hurray for leading from behind!

First step for Libia: Impose sharia law & put women in their place.


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Thats right Daves, we should thank Obama for helping out the Muslim Brotherhood & his Radical Islamic buddies out all over the world, not just in Egypt & Libia. Hurray for leading from behind!

First step for Libia: Impose sharia law & put women in their place.


Maybe you'd prefer if Qaddafi had become dictator of the US? You know, to prevent Sharia law?


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I'm more concerned about the Radical Christians in the US.


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yeah, i had a relative forward me some fox news piece panicked about sharia law, and i pointed out that 1. it was entirely innacurate and took about 10 minutes to refute point-by-point (crack research team, fox) and 2. there already is a group in the US pushing a fundamentalist agenda and it was the person who forwarded the story in the first place.

remember to vote no on the marriage amendment, kids.

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If the Radical Christians fisty supports come into power you can say goodbye to your rubber fetish masturbator parties.


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fisty wants to kill rifle water sports before we even begin. what an asshole!

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If the Radical Christians fisty supports come into power you can say goodbye to your rubber fetish masturbator parties.


I doubt it
Remember all the decadence during the Reagan years?
You will never un-perv this country
Besides, sex is a huge business
You think the 1% is gonna outlaw something that generates that much money?

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fisty wants to kill rifle water sports before we even begin. what an asshole!


No shit! (I'm not into the scat scene, but fisty likes his poopy-pants plastic parties.)


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First they came for the poopy pants, and I said nothing because I'm not a poopy pants.


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Reagan was part of the Hollywood Elite, you understand. Plus, he was unconscious for most of his presidency.


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:lol:

I'm all for poligamy w/ Coulter, Palin & Bachmann!

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First they came for the poopy pants, and I said nothing because I'm not a poopy pants.


Sounds like the "occupiers!". :lol:

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:lol:

I'm all for poligamy w/ Coulter, Palin & Bachmann!


Nah, they don't like Mormons.

I never got your answer, by the way, on whether you'd like to have Qaddafi as dictator of the USA? Since you seem to think dictators are necessary to prevent Sharia law?


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I'm all for poligamy w/ Coulter, Palin & Bachmann!



the only problem with that foursome is it's hard to nail 3 chicks when all any of them will do is missionary.

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First they came for the poopy pants, and I said nothing because I'm not a poopy pants.


EEEW! More poop at the Right to Lice movement!

Hazmat team needed to remove 200 pounds of feces from Occupy Santa Cruz

Back to topic: Looks like there will be full blown war again in Egypt?


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I'm all for poligamy w/ Coulter, Palin & Bachmann!



the only problem with that foursome is it's hard to nail 3 chicks when all any of them will do is missionary.

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And we have a winner!!!

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Fisty, you know nothing of WI other than what Fox shows you, such as Madison being graced by palm trees. This criminal governor lied and will be recalled along with his crony senators.

oops! tripped over this. :P

Well, like Carter lost Iran, it looks like Obama lost Egypt. Good Job.



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I didn't know he was running for office in Egypt. Is that what your nutjob blogs told you?


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How's that "Smart Policy" going Billary?!

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US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was taunted by chants of "Monica, Monica" by tomato-throwing demonstrators as she visited the Egyptian port city of Alexandria on Sunday.

The chants, referring to the Monica Lewinsky scandal when her husband, Bill Clinton, was president, were heard outside the US consulate as she visited for its reopening.

An embarrassed Egyptian security official said they were chanting "Monica, Monica" and "Irhal, Clinton" (Get out, Clinton.)

Tomatoes, shoes and a water bottle were thrown at part of Clinton's motorcade as it pulled up, protected by riot police, although a US official said Clinton's own vehicle was not hit.


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Carter II continues, 3 dead in Libia/chaos in Egypt.... the failier continues.


Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:37 pm
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The actual "failier" that occurred was Willard Romney's premature "announcement" about the incident that pretty much guarantees that he will never be president, and is far from ever being ready for the position.


Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:42 pm
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Romney was dead on right, Obamas policy disaster is a flop and Mitt pointed it out. Kind of bummed your hero is going down in flames after all that "football spiking" at the Dem convention eh zom? Obama KILLED OSAMA! Obama KILLED OSAMA!

Big tough Warmonger tossin his drones around & checking off his "kill list." What a fake.


Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:33 pm
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6 point lead = going down in flames.

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Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:23 pm
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Mby in the kook KOS poll? uhg... More gaffes by the Community Orginizer:

“I don’t think that we would consider them an ally, but we don’t consider them an enemy.”
uh..uh...


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Rioters desecrated the American flag, replaced it with a black Islamic flag used by al Qaeda, and, according to Cairo's daily Al-Ahram, chanted: "Obama, Obama, there are still a billion Osamas."


Better get out there and grovel more!


Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:09 pm
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zom-zom wrote:
The actual "failier" that occurred was Willard Romney's premature "announcement" about the incident that pretty much guarantees that he will never be president, and is far from ever being ready for the position.



Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:22 pm
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zom-zom wrote:
The actual "failier" that occurred was Willard Romney's premature "announcement" about the incident that pretty much guarantees that he will never be president, and is far from ever being ready for the position.

Turns out you where totaly wrong on this zom.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/15/us/clinto ... index.html

What a mess, they tried to cover it up by blaming a "movie", then they blamed the Romney campaign. Now Billary has to take the fall the day before the debates in hopes that it will deflect from Obamas incompetence. Can't the manchild take responsibility for anything?


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linking to cnn?

what happened, you're a democrat now?

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Dude, I even watch msnbc yucks!

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2fisted wrote:
Dude, I even watch msnbc yucks!

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MSNBC > SYFY !


Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:36 pm
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Any Anti war protesters on the lake st bridge lately? no? thought so.

Well, the truth is comming out about the incompetence of this administration in Libia cover up and the whole "Arab spring" illusion. This guy cant be fooled 8) :

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP9Cben3cuY&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]


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Another country hick bumpkin that has some concerns.


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